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Archived Complaints and Ban Appeals / Re: Ban Appeal - Lew
« Last post by Oliveran on November 12, 2016, 04:18:43 PM »
Just yourself from chatting, and it'll be fine.

Please remember to keep to the server rules in future.

Unbanned.
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Archived Complaints and Ban Appeals / Re: Ban Appeal - Lew
« Last post by Lew on November 11, 2016, 10:21:51 PM »
I mean.. if i get unbanned, just perm-mute me and im ok with it, i just wanna play with some friends... Atleast give me a 2nd chance..
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Archived Complaints and Ban Appeals / Re: Ban Appeal - Lew
« Last post by Oliveran on November 10, 2016, 02:14:30 PM »
Feel free to answer the comment I posted - your appeal is not rejected :)
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Archived Complaints and Ban Appeals / Re: Ban Appeal-HOOLIGAN [not accepted]
« Last post by Oliveran on November 08, 2016, 01:21:32 PM »
Locking the thread, as it adds nothing to the appeal.
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Archived Complaints and Ban Appeals / Re: Ban Appeal-HOOLIGAN [not accepted]
« Last post by ULTRA~GATE-7 on November 08, 2016, 07:16:37 AM »
Only if you hear me saying please i wont do it again unban me i know i did mistakes and lick your balls a bit the only way to get unbanned my words were little and true but it seems not enough to persuade you but i dont give a fuck... I pee you all see you on Bannerlord nabs

As for my application on IG back in 2015 i wasnt accepted because of my name you said it was very aggressive hahaha and cause of  votes 11 were positive 5 negative to accept me as i remember and all this cause you were listening a 15 years old boy Monopolish who was jealous of me and did everything he could for you  to see me with another glance.. You had such players in your holy competitive team he was kicked from IR for other reasons before joining you and you gave him the chance to lead during matches lmao and after managing to make his own clan K as Natasha to achieve something ..And i was taking orders from a 15 years old nerd..Hopefully i wasnt accepted yea.. I told Kekn never trust pw noobs.. You see now?

I also remember crazyboy asking me questions on steam like whats your habits ?Are you really a hooligan? He was acting like wow you do all this and that i was showing him some videos and he seemed to be surprised but he did all this to collect info about my personal life and another reason not to accept me on IG.. Cant stop laughing while im writing all this ...
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Archived Complaints and Ban Appeals / Re: Ban Appeal-HOOLIGAN
« Last post by SCGavin on November 07, 2016, 11:40:41 PM »
As the long elaborate post before didn't seem to do the trick, I'll make this short: Your appeal is rejected.
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Archived Complaints and Ban Appeals / Re: Ban Appeal-HOOLIGAN
« Last post by ULTRA~GATE-7 on November 07, 2016, 10:59:24 PM »
I think i was clear by saying i wont rage again and break any rule .. Do i have to say i beg you unban me please i fall on your knees and lick you like others do? No you wont hear this from me just let me know if you give me 1 more chance to play or im banned perm ...
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Archived Complaints and Ban Appeals / Re: Ban Appeal-HOOLIGAN
« Last post by SCGavin on November 07, 2016, 01:28:02 PM »
First some logs and recollections by Oliveran, so we have the facts straight. This is from the incident where you were banned (team-hits on horses are not shown, but Oliveran noticed them). Hugh_Mungus is the "nobleman" you speak of, I can't tell what rank he had in the scoreboard as that is not logged. The last person to die does so at 17:56:26. 16 seconds later (at 17:56:42) you team-hit Hugh_Mungus according to the logs. As hits on horses are not shown, we cannot see who started, but from what Oliveran told me it appears you accidentally hit his horse and he hit yours back. The logs show you team-hitting him though, so you either hit him directly or hit both him and his horse, while there is no record of him hitting you (from Oliverans recollection and your claim it appears he hit your horse, but not you). You team-hit him twice and call him "nab" which in this case is clearly an insult. In your appeal you say you wanted to apologise, but none of that is apparent in the logs. Hugh_Mungus then writes "17:57:10 - [Hugh_Mungus] can you piss off", to which you respond "17:57:17 - [HOOLIGANS~GATE-7] i piss your grave". Oliveran knew you had been previously warned on other occasions and knowing that intentional team-attacking and insults like "i piss your grave" are obviously against the rules (and therefore don't require a warning), he banned you permanently. He also banned the other person, Hugh_Mungus, temporarily (which you couldn't see as you were already banned, but which means Oliveran did not let the other player go unpunished (even though your actions are clearly the more serious ones).

You may notice there are two other team-attackers Oliveran did not do anything about. Before someone claims that this shows how unfair and biased our admins are: He was busy with your actions and did not notice them. I get back to admins not noticing everything later on when I talk about your accusation that our admins are unfair.

Spoiler
17:56:15 - HOOLIGANS~GATE-7 <img=ico_swordone> Meduusa
 17:56:16 - Random_Brian <img=ico_swordone> DJIN
 17:56:18 - [FTW_Oz] sorry
 17:56:18 - Random_Menethil <img=ico_javelin> Heroes_Vernon
 17:56:19 - Wonwokie_AnacondaX left the server.
 17:56:22 - Revolution_SwaP <img=ico_spear> Belisarius
17:56:26 - Random_Brian <img=ico_swordone> TriSTaN <I assume this is the last guy of the enemy team that you and everyone else wanted to kill>
 17:56:26 - Snowdown left the server.
 17:56:27 - *DEAD* [Morpheus] On en a trop de couilles pour ce jeu
 17:56:29 - Meduusa left the server.
 17:56:38 - Hypnotic left the server.
17:56:42 - HOOLIGANS~GATE-7 team hit Hugh_Mungus. (8 dmg points)
 17:56:43 - Random_Master_Thorr <img=ico_swordone> Stier
 17:56:43 - Revolution_SwaP team hit Random_Master_Thorr. (12 dmg points)
 17:56:43 - *DEAD* [Wether] RIP
17:56:49 - HOOLIGANS~GATE-7 team hit Hugh_Mungus. (6 dmg points)
 17:56:51 - *DEAD* [Wether] je peux pas faire grand chose de toute fašon
 17:56:51 -  <img=ico_headshot> Revolution_SwaP
 17:56:54 - [EVENT]: Flag spawned.
 17:56:56 - New_Player team hit Mudzin_z_Afrika. (35 dmg points)
 17:57:00 - Mudzin_z_Afrika team hit New_Player. (39 dmg points)
17:57:00 - [HOOLIGANS~GATE-7] nab
 17:57:05 - [Revolution_SwaP] c'pas moi
 17:57:10 - Mudzin_z_Afrika team hit New_Player. (53 dmg points)
 17:57:10 - Mudzin_z_Afrika <img=ico_swordone> New_Player
 17:57:10 - Mudzin_z_Afrika(1097542) teamkilled New_Player(3458587).
17:57:10 - [Hugh_Mungus] can you piss off
 17:57:17 - [HOOLIGANS~GATE-7] i piss your grave

 17:57:21 - Chef_Matteezy <img=ico_headshot> Morpheus
 17:57:21 - PE_Kubus <img=ico_headshot> Heroes_Vernon
 17:57:25 - Random_Master_Thorr <img=ico_swordone> SuckLife
 17:57:26 - messerschmitt_eduard <img=ico_spear> Revolution_SwaP
17:57:27 - HOOLIGANS~GATE-7 is banned permanently by GP_Oliveran.
 17:57:27 - [ADMIN]: GP_Oliveran banned HOOLIGANS~GATE-7 permanent.   

 17:57:28 - HOOLIGANS~GATE-7 left the server.
 17:57:28 -  <img=ico_headshot> HOOLIGANS~GATE-7
 17:57:31 - FTW_Oz <img=ico_bow> TriSTaN
 17:57:31 - FelipeJordan has joined the game with ID: 3466567 from 179.233.158.133
  17:57:32 - Hugh_Mungus is banned temporarily.
 17:57:32 - [ADMIN]: GP_Oliveran banned Hugh_Mungus temporary.   

 17:57:32 - Random_Enforcer_Azrud <img=ico_swordone> IR_Superlilli
 17:57:33 - Hugh_Mungus left the server.
 17:57:33 -  <img=ico_headshot> Hugh_Mungus

You were a Recruit for IG in June 2015 and even back then you insulted other players and we talked to you about it and asked you to stop. We ultimately rejected you, deciding you would not fit into IG. So you cannot claim ignorance of the rules or lack of warnings. In very recent times there are various other instances in older logs that show you insulting other players and Oliveran was aware of some of those. That is why the ban was justified. You showed a consistent disregard of our rules and insulted other players, despite warnings. Following are two examples. If you want, we can show you even more extracts the logs from October, in case you are unclear about the kind of behaviour that we do not allow.

Example 1
17:02:03 - HOOLIGANS~GATE-7 team hit dum_Fugs. (42 dmg points)
 17:02:03 - HOOLIGANS~GATE-7 <img=ico_spear> dum_Fugs
 17:02:03 - HOOLIGANS~GATE-7(88730) teamkilled dum_Fugs(3167840).
 17:02:08 - *DEAD* [dum_Fugs] loser
 17:02:09 - *DEAD* [Morpheus] you're so bad
 17:02:12 - *DEAD* [Morpheus] gtfo man
 17:02:18 - [HOOLIGANS~GATE-7] go play pw
 17:02:25 - [Morpheus] classic small penis loser
 17:02:37 - [HOOLIGANS~GATE-7] go suck your dads dick
 17:02:46 - [Morpheus] wow
 17:03:05 - [HOOLIGANS~GATE-7] or give me your facebook to show you my dick
 17:03:12 - [HOOLIGANS~GATE-7] if you like it so much
 17:03:26 - [HOOLIGANS~GATE-7] gay
 17:03:32 - Morpheus <img=ico_spear> HOOLIGANS~GATE-7
 17:03:38 - [dum_Fugs] lol
 17:03:39 - [Mor 17:04:23 - [HOOLIGANS~GATE-7] most gay cav ever hiding behind archers and  spears with cousrer
 17:04:30 - [Morpheus] nice englando loser
 17:04:33 - [HOOLIGANS~GATE-7] waiting to backstub pheus] get shit on you loser
 17:06:15 - *DEAD* [HOOLIGANS~GATE-7] gay enemy cav
 17:06:16 - *DEAD* [HOOLIGANS~GATE-7] noob team
 17:06:26 - *DEAD* [HOOLIGANS~GATE-7] perfect combination
 17:08:08 - HOOLIGANS~GATE-7 team hit dum_Fugs. (28 dmg points)
 17:08:31 - Morpheus <img=ico_spear> HOOLIGANS~GATE-7
 17:08:34 - HOOLIGANS~GATE-7 left the server.

Example 2
18:22:03 - HOOLIGANS~GATE-7 started a poll to kick player Morpheus.
 18:22:08 - HOOLIGANS~GATE-7 is kicked.
 18:22:08 - [ADMIN]: AE_Scar kicked HOOLIGANS~GATE-7.   
 18:22:09 - HOOLIGANS~GATE-7 left the server.
 18:22:12 - HOOLIGANS~GATE-7 has joined the game with ID: 88730 from 85.73.157.111
 18:22:34 - [AE_Scar] stop abusing polls, thank you.
 18:22:46 - Tq_Kragen has joined the game with ID: 383050 from 87.152.73.37
 18:22:47 - [HOOLIGANS~GATE-7] AE our glorious bieber?
 18:22:48 - [HOOLIGANS~GATE-7] lmao
 18:23:18 - [HOOLIGANS~GATE-7] gayrman*

Contrary to your assumption that we want to ban you forever and that only an intervention from the pope can help you, we want to know two things: 1) You understand what behaviour is against the rules and 2) You commit to not displaying that behaviour again and playing according to the rules. So far you said that you agree not to "rage again or reply to any action thats against the rules", but you display a rather hostile stance to our administration and in the past you did not seem to be willing or able to stop your rage. As Aeronwen wrote "You have said that you will behave from now on but it is not clear to us from your answers above that you have understood that you are frequently rude and aggressive to other players and this must cease on IG Battlegrounds." It is still not clear you understand the issue, and without that any claim that you wont do it again seems unbelievable. Also in light of the repeated insults in the past, we need more than a "I wont do it again" to be able to believe you. A start would be to realise that it was your behaviour that was most inappropriate here and not that of Hugh_Mungus or Oliveran.



Now regarding your claim that Oliveran was being biased or that IG admins act unfairly:

The problem is that i got perm banned for killing a horse and not being warned first or kicked and why the nobleman that was on top of scoreboard didnt get a warn or kick ? He started teamhitting and also insulted but it seems you dont hundle all players fairly and i dont say this cause of my case but also from other players i see that.Players with high reputation and players that are playing  24/7 on the server are allowed to insult and teamhit on purpose cause they are noblemen and they have admin friends that wont punish them .. Ive seen this since i started playing the game and not only on IG but on other servers too but i had the feeling that IG is more serious server... I dont want to give the player names that  do this and stay unpunished im not that kind of guy i just had to mention it.. Nevermind i wont rage again for anything i just want to have some fun for the time i spend on the server and thats all...

As shown in the logs, Oliveran also dealt with the other person by temporarily banning him. Also your ban was not just for intentionally team-attacking and insulting, but because you had insulted other players many times previously and also been warned for that.

Regarding your statement that we ignore insults and intentional team-attacks from very active players or those with a high reputation, I know of a number of both active and well-known players that we have banned over the years, including former members. We strive to be fair and unbiased when we administer, but that is not always possible. If you are friends with someone you may tend to believe them more readily if they say something was an accident or that they will behave from now on. We try not to let that influence us, but we are humans and cannot deal with players like automatons. We have experiences and assumptions about them that bias us to some degree. That is why we report bans in our internal sections, where other admins can look at the reports and say they feel a ban was the wrong decision. That is also one of the reasons why we allow appeals, so players can share their side of the story and convince us that the ban should not stay in place.

If an admin however is overly biased and does not try to be fair, instead clearly favouring some people that is an issue we would want to address with that admin. To do that we need to know about it, though. If you are reluctant to report things like that to us or name names, how are we to know and do anything about it? We try to ensure administration is done fairly, but we don't know everything and we don't keep tabs on our admins 24/7. We trust them to do their job correctly (and to my knowledge they do) and we only investigate if there are reports of misbehaviour.

Adding to that, Oliveran wrote an insightful post in another appeal:

We've made a decision where we don't go on witch-hunts, unless for good reasons, i.e. we don't check logs every day and ban everyone who swears once or twice just to ban people. Also, compiled evidence from long periods of time might also be unfair, which means we don't always know when some people behave bad and what not, especially as even though we almost always have admins on the server whilst it is close to full, we might not always have during late nights or mid-days. Note also how it would take a few hours to check through the full logs every single day. If you see people behave badly, we got the server complaints section for just this.

Common sense should dictate your behavior as much as rules do. You can't expect a warning for every bad thing you do if you do them and it's obvious it's bad (like calling someone a "twat", insulting a team's performance, calling someone a "FUCKED KID", make jokes about downs syndrome, teamkilling for no reason, and so on). Those situations shouldn't require a warning, and the decision to ban lies on the admin and what he knows about what the player has done the last few days, or how the person usually behaves. I had seen from the logs what you had said the day before, and decided to ban you based on these two moments combined.

If you see people "hurdling insults at each other all day long", you're very welcome to tell admins or report those people on our forums, because as I said, we don't sit all day and read logs. We don't allow admins to do biased bans either, and if they do so we need to know it asap, so we can deal with those situations as well.

That is one reasons why some rule-breakers might get away (we don't read the logs ton ban people all day long). Another reason is that admins are also players and are not completely concentrated on finding rule-breakers every moment they play. They may not notice every-team-kill or even insult, especially if it occurs in their opponents teams team-chat or when they are dealing with another incident (as was the case exemplified in the logs from your incident). Some may claim it is unfair that their rule violations where spotted while others' where not, but that is how it is. If we spot a rule violation or if it is reported to us, we will deal with it. You mainly based your complaint on the assumption that the other player involved in the incident was not dealt with, when in fact he was. So while I know there are people who consider us to be unfair admins, I reject that standpoint. We spend a lot of time and effort to make sure our administration is fair and unbiased.
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Archived Complaints and Ban Appeals / Re: Ban Appeal - Lew
« Last post by Oliveran on November 06, 2016, 08:56:07 PM »
We've made a decision where we don't go on witch-hunts, unless for good reasons, i.e. we don't check logs every day and ban everyone who swears once or twice just to ban people. Also, compiled evidence from long periods of time might also be unfair, which means we don't always know when some people behave bad and what not, especially as even though we almost always have admins on the server whilst it is close to full, we might not always have during late nights or mid-days. Note also how it would take a few hours to check through the full logs every single day. If you see people behave badly, we got the server complaints section for just this.

Common sense should dictate your behavior as much as rules do. You can't expect a warning for every bad thing you do if you do them and it's obvious it's bad (like calling someone a "twat", insulting a team's performance, calling someone a "FUCKED KID", make jokes about downs syndrome, teamkilling for no reason, and so on). Those situations shouldn't require a warning, and the decision to ban lie son the admin and what he knows about what the player has done the last few days, or how the person usually behaves. I had seen from the logs what you had said the day before, and decided to ban you based on these two moments combined.

If you see people "hurdling insults at each other all day long", you're very welcome to tell admins or report those people on our forums, because as I said, we don't sit all day and read logs. We don't allow admins to do biased bans either, and if they do so we need to know it asap, so we can deal with those situations as well.



Are all of the things stated above clear? I.e. you may never insult or flame people, for any reason. If you have issues on the server with other players (such as them insulting you) and there's no admin on the server, you can report this on our forum or to admins over steam.

If you have issues controlling your anger, there's a good chance you might eventually get banned again, so you must try and control whatever anger you got boiling up.
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Complaints and Ban Appeals / Re: Server Complaints
« Last post by Apollo on November 06, 2016, 08:42:51 PM »
Provocation as in me spawning in going to the tower and he turns around and team hits me? XD My ingame character must of gave him the wrong facial expression ;)
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